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Are The Swifties Going To Sink John Kerry?
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Ruth E. Downs
2004-08-22 14:21:50 UTC
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Are The Swifties Going To Sink John Kerry?

The New Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ad is out and believe it or not, it's even more devastating than the first one.

Ad #1

Ad #2

Kerry is calling on Bush to condemn the ads, sending out legal threats to stations that play it, filing an FEC
complaint, calling on the publisher to withdraw the book, complaining that Republicans gave the group
money....everything but actually responding in any sort of substantial way to the myriad of claims these very credible
veterans and war heroes who knew John Kerry are making.

It's becoming very apparent that the reason John Kerry has been unable to refute what they're saying is because they're
telling the truth. The media has spent a lot of time focusing on the weakest accusation that the Swiftees have made,
that John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star (however, I would note that Larry Thurlow is only one out of four eye
witnesses who say John Kerry was not under fire when he came back and pulled Jim Rassman from the water after running
away and leaving him behind in the first place).

However, Kerry has already been caught in a lie about going to Cambodia and in my personal opinion, it looks to be
almost a certainty that John Kerry gamed the system and lied to acquire his first and third Purple Hearts.

That's the type of thing that sinks a run at the presidency and as a matter of fact, had these accusations come out
before John Kerry was the nominee, he WOULDN'T BE the nominee today. Of course, that's the biggest thing John Kerry has
going for him in this situation -- that the Democrats and the mainstream media are stuck with him at this point and so
they'll have to desperately defend him no matter how much truth there is to the charges.

But unfortunately for John Kerry, I don't think that's going to be enough. Kerry is not going to be able to ignore or
censor the Swift Boat Vets for Truth, smearing them isn't going to be all that effective not only because they're vets
and war heroes, but because there are JUST SO MANY OF THEM making charges. Do you think that anybody other than partisan
liberals (including some of Kerry's allies in the mainstream media) are going to buy that all of these war heroes and
vets who knew John Kerry got together and decided to lie through their teeth all in an effort to smear a guy they fought
beside of in combat? If there were a handful of guys involved, sure, you'd have to consider that possibility. But who
really believes that one of John Kerry's crew members, his doctor, every commanding officer he ever had, & large numbers
of soldiers who fought by Kerry's side in other boats along with officers who served with JFK, all are participating in
some sort of bizarre conspiracy to sink Kerry's run at the presidency? Come on, that's like something out of the
"X-Files;" it's just not possible.

So, unless Kerry can actually respond to the Swiftees actual charges effectively, something he has not even STARTED to
do at this point, I think the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, all by themselves, are going to finish him. If Kerry's
telling the truth about his war record -- which I don't think he is -- he'd be smart to sign a 180 form so his records
can be released and then he'd try to directly refute these charges. Make no mistake about it, this is a make or break
issue for the Kerry campaign and it's looking increasingly likely that it's going to be break...

*** Update #1***: Just take a look at these Swift Boat Veterans for Truth related polling numbers. They don't look good
for the Kerry campaign...

""During the week ending Aug. 8, 966,000 people visited the anti-Kerry group's Web site, 34,000 fewer than those who
visited Kerry's official site, according to Nielsen/Net Ratings. The new CBS poll found Kerry winning 37 percent of
veterans' votes to Bush's 55 percent. (The two were tied at 46 percent after last month's Democratic National
Convention, where Kerry highlighted his service.)"

Also, it looks like Kerry has hired an experienced new spokesman to handle these allegations...(heh, heh, heh).


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"If you have any question about what John Kerry's made of, just spend three minutes with the men who
served with him. ..." http://www.swiftvets.com/ --- John Edwards
Madelin McKinnon
2004-08-27 14:06:58 UTC
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Post by Ruth E. Downs
Are The Swifties Going To Sink John Kerry?
They remind me of the Peterson prosecution

http://message.alturl.com
JASON A. KAATZ
2004-08-27 20:56:22 UTC
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May I ask who is Peterson ?
Post by Madelin McKinnon
Post by Ruth E. Downs
Are The Swifties Going To Sink John Kerry?
They remind me of the Peterson prosecution
http://message.alturl.com
J***@yahoo.com
2004-08-27 20:16:33 UTC
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ha....a nobody in a Calif. murder case.
Post by JASON A. KAATZ
May I ask who is Peterson ?
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Post by Ruth E. Downs
Are The Swifties Going To Sink John Kerry?
They remind me of the Peterson prosecution
http://message.alturl.com
Atlanta Cardfan
2004-08-29 05:48:27 UTC
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Post by Madelin McKinnon
Post by Ruth E. Downs
Are The Swifties Going To Sink John Kerry?
They remind me of the Peterson prosecution
http://message.alturl.com
That address reminds me of one of my favorite Mike Cross songs,
"Elma Turl"

Elma Turl, by Mike Cross

Elma Turl is a beautiful girl,
and I would love to have her for my wife
She's just the kind of woman who could make me
happy for the rest of my life
But my daddy said "Son there's something you don't know
and it's something I think you oughta
"Elma Turl is a beautiful girl, but son, she's my daughter".

Alice Green is a pretty young thing
and I would love to have her for my wife
She's just the kind of woman who could make me
happy for the rest of my life
But my daddy said "Son there's something you don't know
and it's something I think that you oughta
"Alice Green is a pretty young thing, but son, she's my daughter".

Spoken: "Ain't no laziness or hookworm in my family..."

Well I been all around this great big county
like a buck hunting for a doe
But it seems every girl I'd like to marry
is some wild oat daddy sowed
So I went to my momma with my head hung down;
she asked me what the matter could be
I told her my problem and she took my hand
and said "Son now listen to me..

"When your father was young he was a good-lookin'
man, and like an eager young stallion horse
"His blood run hot, so you can't blame him
for letting mother nature take her course
"But you got no reason to be upset
don't you worry, don't fret, don't bother
"You see your daddy's not your daddy though he thinks he is
"So you can marry whoever you wanna."

Paul
Madelin McKinnon
2004-08-31 02:18:21 UTC
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The John-John ticket understands the heart & soul of America, and the
Bush sleaze machine is desperately seeking to soil the reputation of
intelligent men like John Edwards and John Kerry out of sheer
desperation:

http://www.geocities.com/mobaster/heart.htm
Bowser
2004-08-31 03:02:27 UTC
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And your military service was when and where?
Post by Madelin McKinnon
The John-John ticket understands the heart & soul of America, and the
Bush sleaze machine is desperately seeking to soil the reputation of
intelligent men like John Edwards and John Kerry out of sheer
http://www.geocities.com/mobaster/heart.htm
Jim
2004-09-01 00:37:30 UTC
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Post by Bowser
And your military service was when and where?
Post by Madelin McKinnon
The John-John ticket understands the heart & soul of America, and the
Bush sleaze machine is desperately seeking to soil the reputation of
intelligent men like John Edwards and John Kerry out of sheer
http://www.geocities.com/mobaster/heart.htm
Probably playing with his little soldier in the public bathroom.
Madelin McKinnon
2004-09-01 13:55:36 UTC
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Post by Jim
Post by Bowser
And your military service was when and where?
Post by Madelin McKinnon
The John-John ticket understands the heart & soul of America, and the
Bush sleaze machine is desperately seeking to soil the reputation of
intelligent men like John Edwards and John Kerry out of sheer
http://www.geocities.com/mobaster/heart.htm
Probably playing with his little soldier in the public bathroom.
Don't ask, don't tell.

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